Subject	That all pretty much goes without saying.
Posted by	Kenny on November 02, 2005 at 9:28 AM
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In Reply To	AFC tuning is at best a hack job of tuning posted by Joe(NoVA) on November 02, 2005 at 09:16 AM
Message	You're arguing semantics, however the fact remains that modifying ECU inputs via an AFC is still technically tuning. You're right of course, it's a hackjob way to tune a car - but it's still tuning. mkay? Kenny... PETZ Member #5 SteamyZ. Never had did me wrong. - SL103 07/06/04 11:58:15
Follow Ups	Collection of dynocharts >> - Ash's Z 15:48:31 11/01/05 Thanx for sharing. I've been studying Z32 dyno slips for - WAGGZ 15:59:04 11/01/05 Ok...but how many of those cars still work? - SeedyROM 16:23:08 11/01/05 Re: Ok...but how many of those cars still work? - Ash's Z 16:35:42 11/01/05 Why is it that the Peacemaker had problems with - AzHeat 16:59:06 11/01/05 Russell's engine was built at the same time with the same - Ash's Z 17:25:00 11/01/05 Re: Russell's engine was built at the same time with the sam - Seb (Specialty-Z) 19:27:41 11/01/05 They were OEM seats. They weren't changed when the - Ash's Z 19:53:00 11/01/05 Re: They were OEM seats. They weren't changed when the - Seb (Specialty-Z) 20:26:40 11/01/05 Ferrea disagrees with that. Who has replaced the valve - Ash's Z 21:52:28 11/01/05 Re: Ferrea disagrees with that. Who has replaced the valve - Seb (Specialty-Z) 23:24:02 11/01/05 FWIW - aliaZ 23:27:38 11/01/05 Re: FWIW - Seb (Specialty-Z) 23:34:32 11/01/05 yep - aliaZ 23:52:04 11/01/05 Re: yep - Seb (Specialty-Z) 23:54:45 11/01/05 Re: Re: yep - aliaZ 23:57:16 11/01/05 also - aliaZ 23:55:49 11/01/05 Re: also - Seb (Specialty-Z) 00:00:15 11/02/05 Seb, I'm not bent out of shape by your statement at all - - Ash's Z 23:33:06 11/01/05 Re: Seb, I'm not bent out of shape by your statement at all - Seb (Specialty-Z) 23:42:15 11/01/05 Same thing was noted on The Peacemaker and RUss' - Ash's Z 01:19:33 11/02/05 Yes the changes we convinced Ferrea to make seem to have - Russell@Z1 08:48:35 11/02/05 Good deal Russ. Glad you chimed in. :) (n/m) - Ash's Z 11:44:56 11/02/05 The ecu cannot control, bad faulty parts, faulty install, - AzHeat 16:53:38 11/01/05 I know you're saying that sarcastically - Joe(NoVA) 17:24:05 11/01/05 yes, including mine with JWT. (n/m) - AzHeat 17:27:38 11/01/05 I don't think that was sarcastic, it was a valid point (n/m) - mousersix (San Antonio) 18:04:58 11/01/05 rage's Z ran like shit withthe Asspec and just fine with JWT - Halo Z 17:02:23 11/01/05 Maybe the ECU connector wasn't fully seated. - Ash's Z 17:28:25 11/01/05 maybe your tunes are hit and miss? at the best. (n/m) - Halo Z 17:35:17 11/01/05 Nah, they are very well refined for use in Z32's that dont - Ash's Z 17:43:23 11/01/05 Not true. Car blows up, its the ECU's fault. Always. - Joe(NoVA) 17:47:12 11/01/05 when it runs fine on the others, yeah. (n/m) - Halo Z 17:53:09 11/01/05 every one has there opinions. (n/m) - Halo Z 17:49:24 11/01/05 They sure do, so lets not make it personal. - Ash's Z 18:04:58 11/01/05 when some realized that when they say "no one's perfect" - Halo Z 18:15:52 11/01/05 Was that your only point? (n/m) - Ash's Z 18:34:45 11/01/05 it's the base of a lot of points, but the big picture - Halo Z 18:40:11 11/01/05 Ric, I realize that you and others think I am on a - Ash's Z 18:45:24 11/01/05 When in reality, your horse is a pony (named scribbles) - turtleboy 06:08:37 11/02/05 Not Spee, Spee doesn't have a soul, therefore can not - turtleboy 05:57:10 11/02/05 You misspelt Ash (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 19:13:09 11/01/05 Bah, that's just Ric trying to be funny. He's big into - Ash's Z 19:45:29 11/01/05 No, it's just his spelling, he has atleast 13 typos for - turtleboy 05:38:58 11/02/05 FWIW... cars will break - mousersix (San Antonio) 18:03:12 11/01/05 I'm not blind to that sir... - SeedyROM 19:59:47 11/01/05 You recognize that things will break on their own merit, - Ash's Z 20:09:59 11/01/05 Ash, let me make it a little more clear - SeedyROM 20:26:38 11/01/05 FWIW, I didn't even see DVDBurn's post until after I - Ash's Z 22:02:40 11/01/05 I like slurpee's. (n/m) - turtleboy 05:39:43 11/02/05 2nd. well said... looks like im a bit late to the scene. - tyler@boostpro.net 20:16:52 11/01/05 Actually mine still works fine, and I even had a boost leak - cossiemodo2000 23:20:51 11/01/05 tyler's car blew up because of his own doing. - chris@boostpro.net 23:28:35 11/01/05 This is the post that destroyed the entire thread. Well gues - turtleboy 06:01:53 11/02/05 My chart with your ecu - EricTTZ 16:31:29 11/01/05 Re: My chart with your ecu - Ash's Z 16:48:45 11/01/05 15 degrees base timing set that day - EricTTZ 17:05:00 11/01/05 Did you get an A/F reading from the other tailpipe? (n/m) - Ash's Z 17:35:25 11/01/05 No is it common for dynos to have dual widebands? - EricTTZ 18:09:53 11/01/05 It isn't, no. But you can swap the sniffer between exhaust - Ash's Z 18:40:12 11/01/05 Thanks, Well the engine blew up on run 2 but yea I know what - EricTTZ 18:48:19 11/01/05 Ouch bro. Sorry to hear that. What program do you have - Ash's Z 19:13:26 11/01/05 One from when you worked at z1. - EricTTZ 19:25:58 11/01/05 Well, good to hear that things are OK now. Let me know - Ash's Z 01:20:29 11/02/05 "blew 3 rings lands on one side on the next pull" - Kenny 17:23:40 11/01/05 Shall I pull out my list of engines that blew up with JWT - Ash's Z 17:32:47 11/01/05 Considering the JWT market share - SeedyROM 17:47:25 11/01/05 May I ask you a question about this? - Ash's Z 17:52:36 11/01/05 You didn't your first question. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 17:56:35 11/01/05 LOL, you both thought I actually keep a list??? - Ash's Z 18:01:45 11/01/05 I give you credit in >> - Spongerider :) 18:06:06 11/01/05 repost. (n/m) - Halo Z 18:10:11 11/01/05 What would be the value of keeping such a list, much less - Ash's Z 18:14:38 11/01/05 Repost (Side Step) - Spongerider :) 18:23:43 11/01/05 LOL, my original point is yet to be addressed. The only - Ash's Z 18:33:47 11/01/05 Smoking isn't the only cause of cancer... - Kenny 18:39:47 11/01/05 Kenny, please show me where all of my tunes have led - Ash's Z 18:47:00 11/01/05 No, that's not what I'm saying. - Kenny 19:01:49 11/01/05 Do you realize that I have tuned over 100Z32s and have - Ash's Z 19:17:23 11/01/05 I didn't make that claim; it speaks volumes that you say it. - Kenny 19:22:17 11/01/05 The burden of proof would lie on your argument though - Ash's Z 19:25:32 11/01/05 I'm not trying to prove anything, just stating the facts. - Kenny 19:28:25 11/01/05 No, you are trying to prove that my tuning is incompetent. - Ash's Z 19:41:19 11/01/05 And why we want to see the failure rate of engines that blew - Spongerider :) 19:52:03 11/01/05 You are saying the same thing as I am now. - Ash's Z 20:01:23 11/01/05 As of 11-02-05 Wilkendew's engine blew with a JWT - DAYTONAZ 17:38:47 11/02/05 No, I'm stating the facts of the matter. - Kenny 19:54:50 11/01/05 No, you weren't. Here are your exact words: - Ash's Z 20:04:46 11/01/05 So what's your question? - Kenny 20:18:57 11/01/05 Because the ignition timing maps will tell you everything - Ash's Z 20:52:57 11/01/05 So the fuel maps don't matter? - Kenny 21:02:34 11/01/05 Fuel maps matter, yes, but they are not the same for - Ash's Z 21:13:39 11/01/05 Re: Fuel maps matter, yes, but they are not the same for - Kenny 23:12:45 11/01/05 Hahahaha. Man, what are you saying? (n/m) - Ash's Z 23:14:53 11/01/05 I had to scroll right to read this post. - turtleboy 05:35:15 11/02/05 Haven't you ever seen that "arguing on the internet" img? - turtleboy 05:41:52 11/02/05 Your posts are so insightful! - turtleboy 05:48:35 11/02/05 I have the list ha ha ha ha (evil laugh) - turtleboy 05:59:12 11/02/05 The answer is no. It's the only common factor here though. (n/m) - Kenny 18:34:08 11/01/05 You can't deductively conclude that. Each car presents - Ash's Z 18:53:55 11/01/05 That's not what I was suggesting, please re-read my posts. - Kenny 19:04:21 11/01/05 Your logic is flawed though, since there are many other - Ash's Z 19:14:10 11/01/05 Not so much, as there are many others that have blown. - Kenny 19:18:29 11/01/05 The common factor is that they are all high-horsepower - Ash's Z 19:22:04 11/01/05 Again with the sidestepping. - Kenny 19:25:57 11/01/05 Is that all you guys can come up with is blaming me - Ash's Z 19:38:47 11/01/05 "You guys" ? I have no affiliation with other posters. - Kenny 20:01:50 11/01/05 You obviously do not appreciate the entire scope of - Ash's Z 20:12:45 11/01/05 Some random timing maps of yours have nothing to do... - Kenny 20:51:24 11/01/05 Your arguing has long outrun your grasp of the situation - Joe(NoVA) 22:09:34 11/01/05 Re: Your arguing has long outrun your grasp of the situation - Kenny 22:56:33 11/01/05 LOL, your legs must be tired from all that backpeddling - Ash's Z 23:05:58 11/01/05 Yes, you are the common factor. - Kenny 23:42:46 11/01/05 But that isn't actually true. - Ash's Z 00:21:22 11/02/05 You sir are out of order! - turtleboy 06:04:10 11/02/05 lol @ all your random posts throughout this thread. (n/m) - myzislow 11:08:06 11/02/05 2nd that!! It puts it all in perspective :-) (n/m) - DAYTONAZ 17:44:56 11/02/05 Somebody give this man a medal. Arguing with kenny is like - ENVYMYZ 22:59:07 11/01/05 Exactly. - Kenny 23:41:35 11/01/05 Jerry, Jerry, JERRY!! (n/m) - Spee 00:05:41 11/02/05 Try again. - ENVYMYZ 08:56:52 11/02/05 Kenny IS the special olympics. - turtleboy 05:44:15 11/02/05 *yawn* (n/m) - Spee 23:14:20 11/01/05 They are NOT random timing maps. They are the timing - Ash's Z 22:14:16 11/01/05 Beatcha ;-) - Joe(NoVA) 22:19:03 11/01/05 BIG 2nd on that. (n/m) - Ash's Z 22:25:40 11/01/05 The only claim I made was substantiated by Ash himself. - Kenny 23:05:00 11/01/05 Your memory is now failing. I never said that most of - Ash's Z 23:09:03 11/01/05 Spare me the semantics, most of them had to be rebuilt. (n/m) - Kenny 23:14:53 11/01/05 It is an unfortunate thing, a catastrophic failure... - Ash's Z 23:20:58 11/01/05 How is "most =! one" semantics. - turtleboy 06:05:38 11/02/05 Thank you Big 2nd (n/m) - AzHeat 23:07:41 11/01/05 Re: They are NOT random timing maps. They are the timing - Kenny 23:02:44 11/01/05 NO only one blew and that was due to the pump failing. - Ash's Z 23:14:03 11/01/05 Re: NO only one blew and that was due to the pump failing. - Kenny 23:20:22 11/01/05 So basically what you are saying, and correct me if I am - Ash's Z 23:28:10 11/01/05 Okay. - Kenny 23:36:42 11/01/05 That's an acceptable set of statements to make, but dont - Ash's Z 00:19:38 11/02/05 I think I've posted atleast 20 times in this thread - turtleboy 05:56:22 11/02/05 LOL yep - mousersix (San Antonio) 14:23:16 11/02/05 Dude! - turtleboy 06:24:41 11/02/05 H:B is critical - mousersix (San Antonio) 07:30:12 11/02/05 lol (n/m) - PennStateZ 11:18:56 11/02/05 Why don't you ever follow through with things? - SeedyROM 18:57:14 11/01/05 Where am I not following through? Where would it be - Ash's Z 19:11:29 11/01/05 Yes, please try some more to make me the devil =) - SeedyROM 20:04:37 11/01/05 My points have been clear. You have not addressed - Ash's Z 20:16:44 11/01/05 I count now 5 posts of yours with the same lame intent - SeedyROM 20:29:24 11/01/05 So I take it you aren't going to address the timing maps? - Ash's Z 20:38:50 11/01/05 *can't (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 22:22:00 11/01/05 Er, yeah. Thanks for the correction. - Ash's Z 22:32:19 11/01/05 You two are cute! (n/m) - SeedyROM 02:42:07 11/02/05 See other post (n/m) - SeedyROM 02:41:44 11/02/05 I already saw the post of the JWT ECU blowing a guy's motor - Ash's Z 02:51:18 11/02/05 I can't even tell what messages are being responded to in - turtleboy 05:37:54 11/02/05 werd (n/m) - myzislow 11:10:13 11/02/05 Please do. (n/m) - Kenny 18:33:23 11/01/05 You just got served! (n/m) - turtleboy 05:49:21 11/02/05 How about - Jackie 19:18:07 11/01/05 Whew. Thankyou Jackie. I'm not patting your back - Ash's Z 19:44:00 11/01/05 It's funny that everyone is asking you for proof... - Jackie 20:47:03 11/01/05 Are we going to have to shame you off this board again? - Kenny 19:47:01 11/01/05 You have clearly and incorrectly concluded that I am - Ash's Z 19:50:58 11/01/05 is that any different than you not understanding that you - Halo Z 19:56:16 11/01/05 Back up your opinion with fact. Prove what you are - Ash's Z 20:05:56 11/01/05 it's proven with the JWT list. cut and dry. (n/m) - Halo Z 20:07:13 11/01/05 Re: it's proven with the JWT list. cut and dry. - peach 20:41:10 11/01/05 Hey Scott! Didn't expect you to chime in, but thanks - Ash's Z 21:04:32 11/01/05 see it wouldn't matter. and here's why.... - Halo Z 21:43:09 11/01/05 Have you been telling people about the secret tt.net elite - Ash's Z 23:18:39 11/01/05 this come from my trips in texas, cali, ga and upper - Halo Z 05:16:13 11/02/05 I neither made nor posted any conclusions regarding your - Kenny 20:19:59 11/01/05 Yes, you did. And it is why I have been following your - Ash's Z 20:38:04 11/01/05 That's not a conclusion regarding your tuning competency. - Kenny 21:15:43 11/01/05 My tuning is a common factor, but not all factors involved - Ash's Z 21:36:47 11/01/05 You're missing the point. - Jackie 20:25:35 11/01/05 Jackie, I'm sorry for sucking up like this, - Ash's Z 20:43:02 11/01/05 lol (n/m) - Spee 20:51:10 11/01/05 You know, I've seen it happen to you time and time again - Jackie 21:24:33 11/01/05 A man of reason? Do you not remember when he sold his - Only1Z 22:45:35 11/01/05 No, I dont know about that, nor do I think it has any - Ash's Z 23:24:33 11/01/05 You're really not worth the argument. (n/m) - Jackie 00:04:44 11/02/05 I won't argue with any of that. - Kenny 21:13:12 11/01/05 LOL @ Webster's - Jackie 21:20:03 11/01/05 That's how Kenny can use big words like... - ZigZag 16:54:36 11/02/05 You have clearly stated, without doubt, that my tuning - Ash's Z 22:05:54 11/01/05 Kenny do you ever get feedback squelch from arguing - AzHeat 00:28:58 11/02/05 2nd (n/m) - FantasyZ 23:37:22 11/01/05 I only lost 1 ring. But it only cost me a new engine! (n/m) - 300ZXquire 09:39:29 11/02/05 Not knocking you Ash but A/F ratio is just one - AzHeat 16:42:29 11/01/05 Well, I have just the thing for you then as I knew this - Ash's Z 17:16:43 11/01/05 Woops, here's tyler's race fuel timing map: - Ash's Z 17:19:23 11/01/05 Don't you mean 2 degrees retarded? (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 17:23:59 11/01/05 Yes, thanks for the correction. (n/m) - Ash's Z 17:25:35 11/01/05 You're two degrees retarded! (n/m) - turtleboy 05:45:13 11/02/05 I'm still waiting for a response here, folks......>>>>> - Ash's Z 17:48:51 11/01/05 To make power you can't be conservative. I do know - AzHeat 17:59:20 11/01/05 Well, power is relative, but in the case of The peacemaker, - Ash's Z 18:06:56 11/01/05 My friends Supra timing is 17 degrees at 850rwhp so - AzHeat 18:10:42 11/01/05 Exactly. And comrpession also affects it too. - Ash's Z 18:17:13 11/01/05 Well those timing values are not way off for pump gas - Carlos Ramirez 07:52:14 11/02/05 Well, acutally they aren't. JWT uses 18 degrees of timing - Ash's Z 14:21:13 11/02/05 Which load column do these cars usually run at WOT? (n/m) - kuah@splparts.com 19:33:22 11/01/05 Furthest right column at full boost. (n/m) - Ash's Z 20:07:12 11/01/05 fyi; no one tunes at idle. i've never seen an A/F ratio - ni[X]it 17:10:22 11/01/05 That's because you dont have to. The ECU's closed-loop - Ash's Z 17:22:43 11/01/05 in theory, you are correct. in practice, you are not. - ni[X]it 17:27:32 11/01/05 My practice has shown me that as long as there isn't - Ash's Z 17:31:49 11/01/05 yup the ECU does adjust for the changes in the AFC @ closed - Seb (Specialty-Z) 19:15:50 11/01/05 In close loop the ecu is going to self correct. At - AzHeat 17:34:00 11/01/05 thank you for your time with the post, - ni[X]it 17:39:16 11/01/05 Nick, you can actually affect the A/F in low-load - Ash's Z 17:44:58 11/01/05 The ecu is in close loop mode under part throttle - AzHeat 17:25:58 11/01/05 here is mine after I tuned it with an AFC - 2960cc of fury (Houston) 17:18:37 11/01/05 That wasn't the ECU program doing it though..... - Ash's Z 17:21:06 11/01/05 I don't understand, the car left SGP in that state - 2960cc of fury (Houston) 18:30:59 11/01/05 ugh, here we go again. (n/m) - Spee 17:24:53 11/01/05 It will never be over until one side finally just gives up - Ash's Z 17:27:05 11/01/05 if anyone is backing out, it's from the sheer redundancy of - Spee 17:34:01 11/01/05 No Shennannegans here Spee. I am simply defending - Ash's Z 17:38:51 11/01/05 You don't need to defend yourself. Too many people here - AzHeat 18:07:56 11/01/05 Eh, I just got a bug about how tt.net has lost a lot of its - Ash's Z 18:24:05 11/01/05 Ignore the forum Three Stooges- Spee, Seedy, Sponge - AzHeat 18:28:38 11/01/05 What have you contributed besides mis-information and hate? (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:34:40 11/01/05 gay love with ned? (n/m) - Halo Z 18:38:01 11/01/05 A lot more than your ass for the Z32. Should I - AzHeat 22:52:26 11/01/05 lol - Spee 23:18:21 11/01/05 Re: lol - AzHeat 23:30:06 11/01/05 do you know of anyone successfully running the AEM yet? - aliaZ 00:11:42 11/02/05 Check out the AEM forum. What does Motec have to do - AzHeat 00:21:38 11/02/05 Re: Check out the AEM forum. What does Motec have to do - aliaZ 00:41:05 11/02/05 bah...AEM forum is down (n/m) - aliaZ 07:38:29 11/02/05 I wouldn't throw Seedy in that bunch. (n/m) - ENVYMYZ 23:04:08 11/01/05 Seedy has bug up his ass with anything Z1 related and - AzHeat 00:00:10 11/02/05 It's not a bug, it's an elephant. (n/m) - turtleboy 05:50:46 11/02/05 I'm dieing laughing herem this is too much. (n/m) - myzislow 11:16:01 11/02/05 Hi Mike! - Spee 18:32:35 11/01/05 Hahahha.. Rock on Spee. - Ash's Z 18:35:53 11/01/05 Dude ur sooo cool, how can I be like you? (n/m) - suprakillinz(boulder soon) 21:12:14 11/01/05 you can't (n/m) - Spee 22:40:40 11/01/05 Damn you owned him.. hard!! (n/m) - turtleboy 06:18:46 11/02/05 I have a jwt ecu and I blow shit up all the time - suprakillinz(boulder soon) 21:10:29 11/01/05 please do not try and use logic. - Spee 22:49:15 11/01/05 ok, now that was funny (n/m) - mpbond(STL) 23:07:18 11/01/05 You lack any intelliegence or common sense. (n/m) - AzHeat 23:09:24 11/01/05 "You are stupidier than dirt." - AzHeat 21:23:10 08/05/04 (n/m) - Spee 01:30:58 11/02/05 Dam Spee you rock, you are the greatest (n/m) - AzHeat 12:55:46 11/02/05 You spelled intelligence wrong and the syntax of your - turtleboy 06:23:14 11/02/05 Wow...just wow...I cannot stop laughing... - Only1Z 22:50:56 11/01/05 Pump/Race with Sp500s - Scotts94z32 17:25:18 11/01/05 Thankyou Scott. Through all the garbo-babble above, - Ash's Z 17:34:23 11/01/05 No problem, I like to stick to the subject.. ;-) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 18:40:21 11/01/05 Dayum! Nice! my set-up is very close to yours and - Swatsav 18:07:58 11/01/05 Post 'em when you make 'em... we'll see.. ;-) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 18:46:56 11/01/05 Will do. (n/m) - Swatsav 20:04:36 11/01/05 my best one so far --->>>>>>>>>> - madtdogs 18:30:20 11/01/05 Nice A/F. Question on that dyno though. It looks like - Ash's Z 18:37:21 11/01/05 ash, that is terre from the first dyno session up here... - tyler@boostpro.net 19:21:34 11/01/05 wow... wow wow wow.. i have seen better from children (n/m) - tyreeztt 20:55:15 11/01/05 there was a few issues with the setup at the time... - madtdogs 21:10:40 11/01/05 In all of this entire thread, there have been just a few - Ash's Z 20:36:06 11/01/05 Ash, get on AIM (n/m) - mpbond(STL) 20:40:06 11/01/05 Ash why coolant over oil temp? (n/m) - lazersos 20:52:43 11/01/05 A majority of the oil is actually cooled via thermal - Ash's Z 20:58:23 11/01/05 Ash, did you get my payment? (n/m) - mpbond(STL) 21:10:14 11/01/05 No, where/when did you send it? - Ash's Z 21:16:09 11/01/05 Got it! :) Thanks for the business! (n/m) - Ash's Z 00:31:19 11/02/05 Wow, a longer thread LOL (n/m) - Piranha(Omaha) 21:50:07 11/01/05 In all fairness, Ash tuned my car last spring...I don't have - RAGTPZ 22:04:51 11/01/05 This is one of the reasons I don't publically comment on - KaZ (VaBch) 22:19:53 11/01/05 There are a few dyno's in there from Greg Dupree. - Ash's Z 22:27:08 11/01/05 No, I'm not saying anything about anyone's tuning... - KaZ (VaBch) 22:47:28 11/01/05 That's because most of them are racefuel programs. - Ash's Z 22:56:42 11/01/05 100% dead-on. - SeedyROM 23:38:31 11/01/05 Every Z that comes through my hands for tuning has some - Ash's Z 00:28:06 11/02/05 BTW, here's a JWT-equipped TT that just blew today >> - Ash's Z 00:29:48 11/02/05 nice list.... (n/m) - Halo Z 05:31:27 11/02/05 Well... From reading the post... - KaZ (VaBch) 07:59:49 11/02/05 A+ (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:13:23 11/02/05 You got it man .. bravo (n/m) - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 02:54:07 11/03/05 It's my opinion. (n/m) - SeedyROM 01:23:24 11/02/05 Thankyou for clarifying that. I was beginning to think you - Ash's Z 01:28:31 11/02/05 Correction, 3rd time he has blown it with the JWT ECU - Ash's Z 01:59:39 11/02/05 . (n/m) - SeedyROM 02:25:18 11/02/05 No, the facts I do know are what formed my opinion - SeedyROM 02:40:50 11/02/05 Well, I hope you just added three points to your "tab" - Ash's Z 02:46:11 11/02/05 OH thank God! - turtleboy 06:13:06 11/02/05 completely off topic, but a good read (n/m) - mousersix (San Antonio) 09:23:45 11/02/05 bravo (n/m) - myzislow 11:23:08 11/02/05 A+ (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:11:26 11/02/05 ash, i for one think that you were a major contribution >> - stockplayerz (NYC) 22:24:39 11/01/05 Funny thing is, this post has only made my day, not ruined - Ash's Z 22:31:10 11/01/05 after dealing with ash personally... he's a genius - chris@boostpro.net 23:26:21 11/01/05 there's a ringing endorsement. (n/m) - Spee 23:30:55 11/01/05 thanks mr. clean! Your a walking endorsement (n/m) - chris@boostpro.net 00:31:48 11/02/05 my what? (n/m) - Spee 01:28:49 11/02/05 you're (n/m) - chris@boostpro.net 08:58:22 11/02/05 Holy crap you're a genius! (n/m) - turtleboy 05:52:16 11/02/05 Mine >>> - manstretch (NC) 00:40:42 11/02/05 Car looks like it is low on power? What boost setting - Ash's Z 00:49:00 11/02/05 stock boost, no BC/jets installed (n/m) - manstretch (NC) 06:36:17 11/02/05 My dyno is bigger than your dyno. (n/m) - Zluster(Sir Sam) 00:47:32 11/02/05 Ugh, give the guy a damn break.... - 91Z32TT 01:29:06 11/02/05 I think those who are supporting me are being troubled - Ash's Z 01:40:04 11/02/05 You're a salesman's dream. (n/m) - SeedyROM 02:27:17 11/02/05 And you sell your opinions pretty well too. - Ash's Z 02:48:42 11/02/05 Not a one. Which is what makes it great! - SeedyROM 18:07:02 11/02/05 Sounds more like a self-serving vigilante's philosophy - Ash's Z 10:43:55 11/03/05 Give me a break - turtleboy 06:14:06 11/02/05 Heres one on my old set-up - luke21 01:33:34 11/02/05 Do you recall if that was using a tailpipe sniffer box - Ash's Z 02:04:16 11/02/05 Here is Vorpal's TT with a JWT ECU, for reference: - Ash's Z 02:20:34 11/02/05 Conclusion: Kenny whines more than a 4 year old. - turtleboy 05:36:46 11/02/05 tyler, spend less time on OT - genic 09:05:14 11/02/05 My name's not tyler - turtleboy 16:18:58 11/02/05 jwt ecu, specialtyz team= the best fine tuned car - Eishozzzz 06:57:44 11/02/05 AFC tuning =/= tuning (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 08:50:38 11/02/05 you just lost your right to call anyone an idiot - genic 09:03:08 11/02/05 AFC tuning is at best a hack job of tuning - Joe(NoVA) 09:16:04 11/02/05 That all pretty much goes without saying. - Kenny 09:28:45 11/02/05 I actually agree with you on this one - Joe(NoVA) 09:37:13 11/02/05 What disturbs me about the AFC tuning issue... - Kenny 11:37:21 11/02/05 The ZEM is only $650 - it is the least expensive of any othe - Ash's Z 11:46:27 11/02/05 I though the ZControl was the least expensive. - Kenny 11:57:06 11/02/05 Well, you can tune with that too, but it has limited ability - Ash's Z 14:15:45 11/02/05 Totally agree (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 13:03:43 11/02/05 Perhaps there is an interaction, and A/F isn't the - RSR 07:48:54 11/02/05 Good Lord, longest thread I have seen in 6 years. (n/m) - Rob.M (Down Shift Magazine) 08:53:25 11/02/05 hopefully there are no posts longer than this... - Max865(ATL) 09:00:08 11/02/05 It is a post of colossal proportions. Some of the finest - Ash's Z 11:47:57 11/02/05 this is the drama i miss. thanks guys (n/m) - dogpile 09:30:13 11/02/05 LOL, no ISH!! this thing is huge! (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 10:03:52 11/02/05 I've posted 27 times in this thread - turtleboy 16:23:51 11/02/05 What did i miss? - VG30DE racer 10:09:46 11/02/05 Hey, where's mine? j/k - jkperformance 10:13:29 11/02/05
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